Curse

SirErnieMacGloop · Dec 08, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Just for haha's i hopped on Ebay to check out their user agreement and listing policies.

After a few minutes I came up with this:

Quote:

Sellers must accurately represent the location from which their item will be shipped in the item location field. False, inaccurate or misleading information about the shipping location of an item is not allowed on eBay.

Just looking through a few of the ads shows the locations all over the place except for where the items actually are: on Anet's servers. This may be a technicality as the object itself does not exist outside the virtual world, but it does exist on Anet's servers not at the locations the sellers are specifying.

idk, but it seems to me if i can find a simple reason for delisting of GW stuff on ebay in a few minutes, someone with a legal background could find alot more in less time.

Rera · Dec 09, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Except that you didn't actually find a reason for 'delisting'. No item is being shipped, so the shipping field is meaningless, and cannot be false, inaccurate, or misleading.

You just got tomahawked · Dec 09, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

This post prompted me to put in Guils War in to Ebay and first thing I sid was sweet mother of god!!! This is crazy!!!! I had put Guild Wars into ebay before but it did not have this many things. i'm pretty sure Guild Wars is supporting selling gold because before they had like 2 delivery options but now they have a delivery option called "digital delivery" hmm lets think about that one...

SirErnieMacGloop · Dec 09, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Ah but it is misleading in terms of what you are saying, if the item has no location the very fact that someone is listing a location is misleading.

twicky_kid · Dec 09, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Ebay is making millions from the 3 billion in game item sales. Why would you want to stop that?

Ya, I don't need that 20 million this year. I think we need to stop them.

Ebay is a business. Business and ethics rarely meet in the middle. If they are making money while not getting sued they will continue making money. Hell, even if they are sued they look at how much they can still profit.

Welcome to the world of capitalism.

Count to Potato · Dec 09, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Welcome to the world of capitalism.

You know, if it was a communism, we'd all have equal money, meaning everyone would have like 100k, not bad eh? for those average players at least

MrTwisted · Dec 09, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Hi,

Someone in here said that the sellers are not selling a service they are selling gold, in this case we know they are selling gold, but it isnt that simple.

An example from my real life, I do this as part of my working routine.
I pay a taxi driver to go and collect something for me. I paid him and he delivered the item.
The taxi driver did not own the item or did I for that matter however the guy got paid and I got the item.
This is service a in which payment was made but nobody involved owned the item.
Same could be said for the service of collecting stuff/gold and not paying for the item itself.

Its also been said that selling gold for cash is against the EULA... which it is but ppl that do this scummy stuff know how to get around it...

So now think of this...

Off the top of my head... If someone was to advertise in the following way on say ebay.
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"Do you find theres not enough hours in the day to do what you want?"
"Is there something on TV you dont was to miss?"
"Why not pay me to sit at my PC while you get on with your life...Its that simple"

Im not selling in game items or special rewards. Just my time.
Im Selling my online game time for Just £1 an hour.
eg.. You pay me £24 and I will play Guildwars (or anyother game) for 24 hours doing anything you want me to do.
I will freely handover anything I collect in that time as I dont want it.

See my past customer comments:
I booked and paid for a 10 hour slot and gave simple instructions and a location, when my time was up I had a tidy sum (1mil) and a few gold items.
I didnt pay for them they were free and he handed them over just as promised.

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Stictly speaking That isnt selling gold in fact it isnt selling anything in the game at all.
The transaction of cash had nothing to do with the game itself. It is someone paying someone else to sit at a machine.
That said there is no doubt what is taking place here...One person pays £X and is given Xgold...

Another way to do it is simply selling Gaming tokens.
Put an add on ebay that you are selling a game token for £10 and that token can be exchanged for in game gold.
You now have a token (could be a virtual one) that can be exchanged for virtual gold.. (this no different to the thading/selling of artwork for in game gold as seen on this very website in the forums).
Most of the EULA talks about in game items/gold for "real-world cash" this simple step removes this totally.

OK so it unlikely ppl would take you up on the above offers, but the point being is it isnt clear cut as it may sound. It is easy to cover what you are doing so that you still stay within the EULA...
Of course Anet also has the right to close any account they wish at anytime they see fit but hey..

Fact: There are too may ways to sell gold to be covered be it ebay or wherever (I meen see it in game often enough!!)
Fact: You will never stamp it out completely as there are a number of ways to obtain and sell it. Some ppl will always buy and so some will always sell it

Not to sound negative but chasing ebayers is wasted time and effort and dosnt realy help (as already posted somewhere).
Stamping out the bots is where the biggest effect would be had. This would remove a large number of offenders. Ok hardcore bot users would find another way/place but then that could be dealt with.
Of course doing this is another issue, but that said we have all seen them following the same path/routines in the same places. Just Identify those that are repeating the same things time and time again. It is obvious that they are not human controlled and that initself is against the rules.... Kill 2 birds with one stone.
We dont need changes to gameplay or bans on afk players (which is what seems to happen in the past) but identify routines/paths that are exactly the same and take action on them.
I do wonder how hard can it really be to keep them under control?

Ok im done...

MegaMouse · Dec 09, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

This has been posted on in another post please close.

More Outrage · Dec 09, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

All this legal talk just gives me a headache! Bring on the nerfing mesmers and stop the monk bots especially those operating from granite citadel, its so obvious it becomes sickening after watching the same chars running day after day not to mention the guilds that are operating there.

Nightfall release update stopped a lot of bot action and one can only hope another update that is more focused takes place. Real people farmers would and can still operate it just takes a little more skill and time than before.

It`s a bit like the 80s` virus v antivirus chase all over again.